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Uncovering the lively stories of dead British Columbians

Victoria journalist Tom Hawthorn regularly faces an unusual writing challenge: to create a brief profile that not only reports the fact of a deceased person’s life but tells an engaging and memorable story. It is a challenge that many writers could use to hone their skills. Hawthorn’s new book, Deadlines: Obits of Memorable British Columbians (Harbour Publishing, 288 pages, $26.95) tells 50 fascinating stories within the constraints of a newspaper obituary. It’s a lively read. Lorne Daniel asked Tom Hawthorn five questions about his challenges and his craft.

What are your criteria for selecting deceased people to profile for an obituary? How did you decide which profiles to include in Deadlines?

I write obituaries mostly for the Globe and Mail, so the person’s life needs to be of interest to a national audience. I also have to get the editors at the Globe interested in the person. Canada’s a big country, so competition for the obit page is fierce.

Did the person lead an interesting life? Did they have a public persona of note? Were they unique in some way? Does their life tell us something about life as it is lived in British Columbia, or Canada?

From nearly 500 obits written over the past decade, I’ve culled Deadlines to 50. We were looking for a cross section of people from a variety of backgrounds. Otherwise, we could have published a book of 50 hockey obits. Hmmm. Maybe next year.

What are the factors that result in there being relatively few women in Deadlines?

Let’s see, we’ve got an obit of a pioneering aviatrix (Margaret Fane Rutledge), a pioneering doctor (Dr. Josephine Mallek), a pioneering aboriginal leader (Gertrude Guerin), a pioneering rock journalist Jeani Read). I’m seeing a trend. Roles for women were limited until recent years. People who died in the previous decade mostly made their mark in the 1930s, ’40s, ’50s and ’60s, when opportunities for women were restricted. The obit pages of the future will have more women subjects than they’ve had in the past.

In Deadlines, you’ll also read about the Cougar Lady of Sechelt, about Pearl (the Elephant Girl) Edwards, about Norma Macmillan (the voice of Casper the Friendly Ghost), about Leila Vennewitz, a translator of global renown, and about Jean Crowley of Avalon Dairy.

An obituary is a relatively constrained piece of writing in that the writer is expected to cover certain bases. When you are drafting and revising your work, what do you do to keep each article fresh and engaging?

An obit in the Globe does carry a responsibility to touch on the person’s public life. Honours have to be noted. Like any piece of good writing, an obit can be fresh and engaging if a story is told. I seek out anecdotes that capture personality, details that offer insight on the person.

In your Acknowledgements, you quip that “the subjects are in no condition to complain,” but no doubt many other readers scrutinize each obituary quite closely. What is your approach to fact-checking your work — and do you have any tips for other non-fiction writers?

Whenever I write for the Globe, I am all too aware that among the reading audience will be at least one expert in the area about which I am writing. It is a sobering realization.

I am an obsessive researcher. I feel like I can never have enough newspaper clippings, or book citations, or interviews completed. Still, errors do happen and one can only try to be diligent to avoid the most common and to correct mistakes when they are spotted.
I do make that quip, but in doing so I ask readers to inform me of errors. I’m keen to get the story right. Even after it is written and published. Even after the subject is no longer with us.

Tips for non-fiction writers: When in doubt, leave it out. Keep asking questions until you’re sure about the answer. Never guess.

The British Columbians in Deadlines may not have been ordinary or typical citizens but do you see their lives and experiences as saying something about the nature of British Columbia in general? Are certain story lines more pronounced in BC than we would find elsewhere?

British Columbia attracts (and encourages) dreamers and schemers and Utopians, as well as scammers and scoundrels and con artists. It’s at the end of the road, so it is where people go to re-invent themselves. The province is also a place without the chains of church and class and tradition you’d find in more established societies, so it is not surprising that you find so many pioneers and trailblazers here, from Douglas Jung as the first member of Parliament of Chinese-Canadian ancestry to avant-garde theatre provocateur John Juliani. Life is different out here. Describing how so keeps it interesting.

Lorne Daniel’s selected poems, Drawing Back to Take a Running Jump, was published in 2012. He is working on a book of creative non-fiction about Alberta’s fur trade and oil frontiers.

The essential, inconvenient book for all Canadians

Author Thomas King drew a huge crowd to First Peoples House November 16, 2012, when he visited Victoria to promote his new book, The Inconvenient Indian: A Curious Account of Native People in North America (Doubleday, 270 pages, $34.95). “When we look at Native-non-native relations, there is no great difference between the past and the present,” King observes in his witty but serious way. Taiaiake Alfred, professor of Indigenous governance and political science at UVic, interviewed King about his new book, which is essential reading for Canadians of all colours and stripes.

The Inconvenient Indian delivers some hard truths and has a real edge to it. It seems, to me anyway, like a shift from the approach you’re known for, softening the blow using irony and humour. Are you getting bolder as you go along, or maybe angrier?

I’m too old for that now. I was a pretty noisy activist in the 60s and the 70s. I’d yell and scream and jump up and down. But I discovered that doing that, I was entertainment. I wasn’t having much of an impact . . . White organizations would invite me in and I would give them hell. They would all clap at the end. They enjoyed it, and I would go away. Besides, it just scared the shit out of me when someone did point a gun in my face. There were other guys who were a lot braver than I was. I just decided at some point that I had writing skills that I could use, and that’s what I was going to do. I’m not going to try and be something I am not. I just said. “This is who I am,” and if somebody doesn’t like it, well, I can’t do much about it. I discovered that humour and satire were much better weapons. As I’ve gotten older, I’m still using those narrative tools because I think they are very effective. But it hasn’t taken the edge off of my anger because I’ve lived long enough to see the same kind of shit just come around again and again and again. And people keep saying that things are getting better. If they are getting better, why are Native people still defending their land base? If things are getting better, why do we still have to justify our existence? Why do we have to keep telling non-native North America that treaty rights were not given to us like loot bags at a movie gala? So yeah, I still get pretty hot. But this book was my only kick at the can of non-fiction. I’ve gotten older so I can’t move quite as fast as I used to and I can’t write another one.

Is there a moment in your life you can point to that made you most angry in understanding our collective oppression as Indigenous people?

It was a whole bunch of little cuts and a couple of big whacks. I’ll tell you one thing that got me. There was a photographer out of Utah who had done a book on Native sacred places. He went around and photographed sacred places and what they look like now. One sacred place now has a Wal-Mart on it. Another sacred place is all paved over for basketball courts, stuff like that. I’m a photographer too, and I’d been going around taking portraits of Native artists in North America and so I saw his book and liked it. I wrote him and said, “Do you want to trade a couple of photographs?” He said, “Yeah, yeah, I’ll do that” because he’d seen my work. And so I got one photo from him of tombstones at the Carlisle Indian School, gravestones of kids who died there. I remember getting it in the mail, opening it up and framing it. It’s on the wall at my house right now. Just looking at that, you know, I’m reminded of all the kids who died in residential schools. I say in the book that [Whites] knew at the time there were problems with the residential schools, but they were betting that something good would come out of it. The only thing was, they could make that bet easily enough, because they weren’t betting with their money, they weren’t betting with their community, they weren’t betting with their kids. I think that really sort of summed it up for me, the residential school experience: “If we’re wrong, so what? It’s just, you know, it’s just Indians.”

Dead Dog Café, the iconic CBC radio show you wrote and performed in, was beloved by millions of people and influential in shaping the way people thought of Indigenous people. But things have changed since that show was on the air. Indigenous people are doing social commentary and comedy, not only on the radio but using social media platforms like Twitter and Facebook and podcasting. What do you make of this change in the media landscape and the opportunities or challenges it presents for writers?

I’m so technologically ignorant; I don’t know where YouTube or tweeter … twitter … twitter. I couldn’t find my butt with a board along the Internet . . . So I don’t know who’s doing what. It’s not me . . . . I could have written this book and just put it on line. But I’m an old fart and I like looking at a book. When Dead Dog was on, CBC wasn’t looking at any of the other shows. They had their “Indian” show. That’s unfortunate. I’d like them to have said, “Dead Dog Café was a success. Let’s do some other shows with Indians at the same time.” But they didn’t do it because of course you got your Big Indian on Campus and once you have one, you don’t need any others . . . . my sense of humour when I was 25, 35, 40 years old was pretty stupid. It wasn’t Dead Dog humour. But when I got up into my 50s and my 60s, I think I started to refine that. Sometimes I think you just need some age behind you to do certain things. And it may be that Dead Dog was successful because I was old enough to pay attention to what I was doing, rather than just go for the funny laugh. I mean the one segment I always liked was, 10 Reasons Why It’s Good to Have Indians in Canada, and the first reason was because they gave the RCMP live targets to practice on. I thought for sure the lawyers would shut that down and they didn’t. So it told me right there that I could come really close to the edge. I could really push this thing on CBC as far as I wanted to. So we did.

What’s it like being a perpetual exmatriate living away from your homeland? How do you maintain your connection to your Cherokee heritage and nationality?

That’s a tough one for me because I was born and raised on the West Coast. My father is Cherokee. He came out to the West Coast during [the Second World War] and met my mother. My mother is Greek. My father took off when I was about three years old, just after my younger brother was born. We never saw him again. So that part of the family, we know part of the history on it and other parts of the history we don’t know . . . . it really is almost impossible. For one thing, I don’t have the “Cherokee by blood” card, and there is little chance that I will ever be able to get it. I have been back to Oklahoma a number of times, checking in with relatives. But being raised on the West Coast and not being raised within the Nation, it’s tough. So what I’ve decided is that I’m a sort of nomadic Cherokee, if you will. Like a turtle. I just carry myself and the culture and everything else that I have been able to pull together around with me like a turtle does. As a matter of fact, on my jacket lapel, I always wear this turtle pin just to remind myself that it’s okay.

I think that your book Truth and Bright Water truly captures what it is like to live on an Indian reserve, and to be a First Nations person confronting the realities of our colonized existence. Soldier, the rez dog, as a character, the lost White girl looking for her duck, the pathetically beautiful imagery of Tecumseh and Swimmer bringing the buffalo back to the prairie, I loved it. That book was published in 2000. What book is yet to be written about Native American life and who do you think is going to write it? Better yet, who should write it?

Oh boy! I should of course. Well, oddly enough I’m working on a book right now called The Back of the Turtle. And what I’ve decided to do is take the stories that have literally fallen from the sky, the Creation story. I’m trying to craft a story that talks about the contemporary world in which we live, Native and non-natives, but using a Native narrative strategy, not something like Green Grass, Running Water. I mean, Green Grass was serious but this is a more serious piece, a more satiric piece. I love satire; I think it moves people a lot more than anything else does. It’s a great weapon. I don’t know if that’s the kind of book that still needs to be written. It’s the kind of book that I need to write. And I think that’s what you’re going to find. You’re going to find Native writers who, as they move along, say Sherman Alexie, as he moves along, and Louise Erdrich, as she moves along, maybe deciding that as they get older there’s one book that they have to write. I think you’ll find it coming from one of the older writers, only because we can’t fool around with just knocking out books. There are some writers who just pump them out as fast as they can because they’ve got to pay the rent. At this point, I don’t have to pay the rent like that. I could take my time. Louise could take her time. Sherman could probably afford to take his time. I don’t know where it’s going to come from. I don’t even know what it’s going to look like. I do know that Truth and Bright Water is my favourite novel that I have written. Oddly enough, it got the least amount of play. I think it’s because people have decided that Green Grass, Running Water was my masterwork, so now they can leave me alone and find somebody else. Writing’s a funny business. The Inconvenient Indian was six years in coming. And in the meantime, I sort of lost my place in the great mandala. So now I’m happy it’s out there. But all that means is now the clock is ticking on the next one.

Taiaiake Alfred is working on a memoir about his father and Mohawk ironworkers.

 

Local documentary hits Vision TV

Over the past year, local filmmakers and writers David Springbett and Brian Paisley have been obsessed with the “what if” while preparing their new documentary Apocalypse . . . When, which debuts Nov. 19 on Vision TV. The five-part series explores the origins, implications, repercussions and psychology behind “doomsday” thinking. Lynne Van Luven talked on email with the pair, to find out what they discovered.

1. David, as far as I know, you’re not an “apocalypticism” proponent, what was the precipitating event or idea that got this series started?

I’d just finished a book called Future Babble – about why we continue to trust experts, even though they’re wrong more often than not. Add to that a conversation (OKAY, it was in a pub) about 2012, and Doomsday Scenarios in general, and it all just came together.

2. Brian, what drew you into the project?

The opportunity to dig around a popular myth and expose and explore its foundations. The fact that Doomsday predictions continue to enthrall us despite every previous one being an utter and undeniable failure suggests deeper human concerns and motivations…

3. What was the most interesting thing each of you learned in the making of the series?

BP: That our fascination with apocalyptic thinking extends far beyond simple End Days’ predictions and actually influences how we look at our world and deal with it on a day-to-day basis.

DS: Beyond the big picture of Apocalyptic ideas influencing our culture, a number of our interviews led us in directions we hadn’t previously considered. The siege at Waco, TX, for example, could have been avoided had the ATF and FBI understood the apocalyptic mindset of Koresh and his followers. One of the most interesting interviews was with Marcelo Gleiser, an astronomer and physicist, who connected early culture’s relationship with the heavens to such recent events as the Heaven’s Gate cult in the 1980s.

4. Do you have any fears that just by showing Apocalypse . . . When? Vison — and thus you two — might be setting off a whole aftershock of new Doomsday thinking?

BP: Positive aftershocks – yes!. If you watch the show from start to finish, you’ll be thinking and talking about the way we look at our world, and perhaps what we should be doing to ensure we never usher in a human-made Doomsday.

DS: If we can stimulate new Doomsday thinking that includes our potential for a self-created Apocalypse — we’ve done our job !

5. Your key question, “What happens when nothing happens?” is intriguing. What answer have you come to in the “aftermath” of all your research, writing and filming?

BP: What happens is, people keep believing. Despite all the historical evidence, every experience telling us the human race is still alive and kicking, and the blatant fact the sun just rose on another day, true believers will find a way to rationalize their beliefs and continue to follow their prophetic fixations – “It might not have happened this time, but wait, it will – and very soon!”. There’s even a name for that kind of antithetical persistence: cognitive dissonance – our ability to hold two obviously contradictory points-of-view at the same time. Fascinating!

www.apoclaypsewhentvseries.com

“Apocalypse. . . When?” coming soon to VisionTV, 8 p.m. Nov. 19 to 23

Lust for gold endangers people, Amazon habitat

The Devil’s Curve: A Journey into Power and Profit at the Amazon’s Edge
By Arno Kopecky
Douglas & McIntyre, 306 pp., $29.95

Arno Kopecky, 35, has been working as a freelancer for the past decade since graduating from the University of Victoria. He recently participated in an alumni reading sponsored by the Department of Writing as part of UVic’s 50th anniversary celebrations. In The Devil’s Curve, Kopecky has written an intelligent, witty and informative book about his year of independent research in both Peru and Colombia. In his travels, he met Indigenous leaders, visited their villages, and surveyed the rivers and forests put at risk by North America’s lust for gold. Kopecky trusted to the hospitality and decency of the local Awajun people he met, and his book illustrates both their struggle and Canada’s complicity through its free trade agreements. The Devil’s Curve is a must-read for all Canadians; throughout the book, Kopecky asks the questions we all should be considering; he presents an international problem in compelling human terms. Lynne Van Luven met Kopecky on his recent visit to Victoria and conducted this interview with him later. Sanguine in the face of his publisher’s fiscal troubles, he is now working on a new book about the Northern Gateway project and its proposed tanker routes in West Coast waters.

Can you talk a bit about what event (s)was/were the catalyst for the research that lead to Devil’s Curve?

On June 5, 2009, the Peruvian army opened fire on a crowd of 3000 Awajun Indians who had been camping on a stretch of highway known as the Devil’s Curve for 57 days; it was a scene straight out of Francisco Pizarro’s conquest of the Incas, and it made international headlines by noon of that same day because a few journalists were on hand to record the attack (not me – I got there four months later).

The tragedy grabbed my attention because I was planning a trip to that part of the world at the time, to look into the free trade agreements Canada was then signing with Peru and Colombia. Thinking about free trade can quickly become an exercise in abstraction, but suddenly here was this very concrete example of the human consequences these deals can have. The reason those Awajun had been blockading the highway was to protest the free trade agreements that were locking in the rights of foreign companies operating on their territory…and so the traveling research began.

From reading your book, I learned a huge amount, both about Canada’s part in mining the Amazon and about the feisty Awajun people; in fact, I realized how seldom national media covers these issues. Was educating the public part of your goal in writing the book?

Interesting to hear you say that, since the one review that has come out about this book so far criticizes me for not being informative enough – I’m too gonzo, spend too much time drinking with natives and slum dwellers, not enough time interviewing corporate CEOs…
At any rate, I did want to educate the public, but I didn’t want to bore the hell out of them, so I ended up writing something that kind of slips between (occasionally inebriated) travel narrative and (sober, I promise) investigative journalism. South America may not be in the news much lately – a good sign that much has improved in the last fifteen years – but I do think everyone’s heard the story about the bad corporation despoiling the good Indian’s land. It’s not a subject that tends to captivate readers who aren’t already interested in these things, and the people I most want to reach are precisely those who aren’t normally interested in these things. For that you need a lure, and mine was story.

Whether my story’s any good or not, I dunno, but at least bad writing was not among my aforementioned reviewer’s complaints.

Well, I think the writing is terrific. You traipse across a lot of territory in Peru and Colombia in your narrative, yet you manage not to overwhelm the reader with unwieldy amounts of data. Was there a key organizing principle behind that achievement?

I wish I had an organizing principle, and not just for writing. But when I look back on it, I realize that I stuck pretty close to the notes I took during my year of travels. These were basically journal entries of compelling scenes, impressions, interesting conversations…
One big structural question was how to juggle the two stories at the heart of this book, one taking place in the Peruvian Amazon and another taking place in the city of Medellín, Colombia. In the end, I decided to keep the two countries out of one another’s chapters, which made my life (and hopefully the reader’s) a lot easier.

The Awajun’s struggle against North American mining firms, including Canadian Dorato Resources, seems to me to be incredibly brave, but the book left me wondering how optimistic you are about their chance of success. Can you comment?

Dorato is a gold exploration company with some prime real estate in Awajun territory, but their stock hasn’t budged above nine cents despite several years of enthusiastic reports. They’ve had a couple devastating exposés in the media – David Suzuki executed them in a documentary called The Real Avatar – so for a number of reasons I actually am quite optimistic that the Awajun’s water source will not be drenched in mercury or arsenic any time soon.

As for the bigger question about how to reign in the resource extraction firms now having a field day in Peru and Colombia, and basically everywhere on earth – for me, this is one of the stories of our times, and no it isn’t looking good at the moment. We’re eating up our world at a terrifying rate. But Obama’s just been re-elected as I write this, and I find hope creeping unreasonably into all current outlooks.

There is so much about The Devil’s Curve that presages the current resistance on the West Coast, especially amongst First Nations leaders, to Northern Gateway and Kinder Morgan. You planned that, right?

Obviously. It took all my powers of persuasion to convince Stephen Harper and Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver to wait until I’d finished writing The Devil’s Curve before they started elaborating their theory of foreign-funded radicals and obstreperous Indians blocking Canada’s foreign-funded path to prosperity. Thankfully, both gentlemen co-operated, and then repeated almost verbatim the same arguments I first heard emanating from the presidents of Peru and Colombia.

That gave me just enough time to spend the summer and fall exploring the Northern Gateway’s proposed tanker routes, on a sailboat between Kitimat and Bella Bella. I’ve just returned home from that misadventure and am writing it up now – a Canadian sequel to The Devil’s Curve, assuming I can find someone to publish it!

 

Real-life events inform Gaston’s fiction

Bill Gaston’s newest novel, The World, was released this fall by Hamish Hamilton. Gaston’s fiction has received many prizes, including nomination for the Giller Prize, the Ethel Wilson Fiction Prize, and the Governor General’s Award. Gaston lives in Victoria, where he’s Department Chair and professor at the University of Victoria. Julia Kochuk discussed Gaston’s new fiction via an email conversation. The novel knits together five tragic and beautiful stories that are full of wisdom and the inescapable complexities of the human condition. The World (355 pages, $32) will be launched in Victoria on October 17th at 6 p.m. at the Bard and the Banker.

What inspired you to write this novel?

Strangely enough, a house fire. Much like Stuart in the novel, I ignited my sun deck, and it spread, and in the morning, the whole side of the house was on fire. I did my research, you might say. So the start of the novel is non-fiction. After that, my writer’s imagination takes over.

The novel is broken down into three parts, told from each of the distinct voices of the three characters, as well as the researched strand of a woman living in the D’Arcy Island leper colony. How did the writing process differ in writing a novel with multiple points of view and voice from a novel with a single protagonist?

I once saw an interview with the actor Kirk Douglas, who had just written a novel. He went on to say that writing the novel was almost identical to being an actor, in that he got to play all the parts and also [be] the director. That rang true, to me. Writing a voice is much like being a method actor, in that you occupy, to the best of your ability, someone else. So that’s the difference. With a multi-voiced novel, you have to stay in the proximity of several voices, not just one.

How did you decide to structure this novel and did you run into any problems in doing so?

It wasn’t ever a “decision,” as it was a process that lasted three or four years. It’s complicated. Basically, the structure isn’t conventional and involves both the seemingly random intersection of lives as well as the nature of fiction. There are fictions within fictions in this fiction of mine. Books within books. There are five independent stories, but they all somehow intersect! And I hope that in saying it this way I’m not making people not want to read this book.

It seems a lot of research went into writing this novel: the way a body falls apart due to esophageal cancer, the way the mind breaks from Alzheimer’s, the way leprosy crumbles limbs and spirits. How did you research these many strands and how did you balance the research with fiction?

Well, as with the house fire, my own life did provide me with lots of research. I’ve had both throat cancer and Alzheimer’s in my immediate family. Nuff said about that. Most leper colony information came from an excellent book, A Measure of Value, by local writer Chris Yorath — though much of the leper colony story is whimsical, that is, imagination, being a fiction written by one of the novel’s characters. In fact, the female leper’s story was written by a character written by a character written by me. (Again, reader, please don’t run away!)

The World” is an ambitious title. How does the world within the novel reflect the larger world outside of it?

Well, it’s a seemingly ambitious title. A glance at the cover immediately reveals the title’s irony. The book is about small worlds — not just a tiny leper colony, but also our individual, private worlds. It’s also about the world that is our house that can burn down, and the world of our body that can die, and the world of our mind that can lose all awareness of itself, to dementia. The title is really not about the larger world at all.

Julia Kochuk is a fourth-year writing student at the University of Victoria.

 

Writing, music, feminism “saved my life”

KATE REID (www.katereid.net) is a critically acclaimed Canadian singer-songwriter. She was recently interviewed by local writer/musician Andrea June. Reid performs Sunday, October 14 at 4 p.m. at The Well, 821 Fort Street. (Tickets $20 at the door)

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CS: Your music focuses primarily on queer experiences, from mournful songs about violence to the hilarious “Only Dyke at the Open Mic.” While you proudly promote this focus, media coverage and also points out that your music is for “everyone.” Who are your audiences? Has this evolved over the years?

Kate: While my audience is primarily queer-based, I also have an enthusiastic audience of people who are not in the LGBTQ community — people who identify as heterosexual and who enjoy my music because they see the social relevance of it, enjoy the humour and the stories and understand that the lyrics are more universal than at first glance. My audience has definitely evolved over the years partly because — besides playing PRIDE festivals and queer music venues — I also perform at folk music festivals and other festivals where the bulk of the audience is from outside of the LGBTQ community. Perhaps my audience has also diversified over the years simply because people are becoming more open-minded to LGBTQ issues — that is one of my hopes anyway.

CS: You have three albums out now: Comin’ Alive, I’m Just Warming Up, and Doing it for the Chicks. Yeah, you’re pretty much a Canadian dyke icon at this point. So now that we’re alive, warmed up, and doing it, what’s next?

Kate: Ha ha, dyke icon? I don’t know if that’s true, is it? The project that I’m currently working on is a musical-educational project. It’s comprised of a 17-song recording plus a kit for educators, focusing on the harmful effects of bullying, homophobia and heterosexism, as well as celebrating diverse genders, sexualities, people, families and communities. The idea of doing this project came to me when I met a woman at a folk festival who was pulling a wagon with two kids behind her. My wife knew her and they were catching up after a number of years of not seeing each other. My wife inquired about the kids, asking if they were hers because they looked very similar. The woman laughed and said that one of the children belonged to her and her partner and the other child belonged to another lesbian couple, and the reason why the children look similar is because they had the same father, they share the same donor dad. When I heard this, my mind just starting racing, thinking about all of the possibilities of families out there, especially in the LGBTQ community where the decision to have children has to be a well-thought-out, planned decision. I went home that day and wrote out a list of all of the possible family combinations . . . it was a long list. The concept for this album was further cemented in my mind as a project I needed to do because the two children I am helping to parent tell us they sometimes have difficulty in school explaining why they have two moms and don’t have a father. They have to explain what a “donor dad” is and sometimes they get teased for it. I realized that children growing up in the LGBT community don’t have any children’s songs that relate to their families and the things they may experience because they have gay, lesbian or transgendered parents. I thought it was time that I wrote those songs for them. So, I put out a call to interview children and their parents and then conducted close to 40 interviews with children and their LGBTQ parents and wrote songs about some of their stories and experiences. Then, I realized that if I combined my B. Ed with my musical career, I could create a really cool kit for schools that brought these stories and songs into the classroom. So, besides recording the songs, I have been developing lesson plans, activities and projects to pair with the songs to teach about LGBTQ families. This project is set for release in 2013.

CS: You also offer workshops for secondary and post-secondary schools aimed at teaching students about oppression and stereotypes, with regards to gender and sexuality in particular. What led to this initiative?

Kate: I wanted to offer these because I love working with youth and have done so for many years as a teacher, community support worker, youth camp coordinator and teaching assistant. I aim to bring awareness into schools about visibility for LGBTQ people and the different kinds of oppression. I want youth to discover the benefits of self-expression through writing – that it is a way to heal oneself, to tell one’s story and to heal others in the telling of that story. Writing, along with music and feminism, saved my life and I want to pass that on to youth who may be struggling to figure themselves out. Writing our stories can help us make sense of ourselves, our lives and how we fit into the world around us.

CS: It’s hard not to focus on the “activism” aspect of your music, but you also have an awesome voice — the pure, resonant tone of Joni Mitchell, with the powerful delivery of a rock musician. You keep calling yourself folk-country, but I think you may be in the closet as a rock musician. How did you start playing music? What inspires you, musically?

Kate: Ha, you figured me out! I am a closet rocker. I love classic rock and certainly listened to lots of it in my childhood and youth, from early 50s rock ‘n’ roll to 60s psychedelic rock and 70s classic and glam rock, but I also really love acoustic guitar and I like being a solo artist. My first record was Linda Rhondstadt’s Living in the USA. I played it on my Fisher-Price red and yellow turntable when I was around seven years old . . . I started singing when I was really young — in my Christian school choir and at summer camp. Our school music teacher taught us Handel’s Hallelujah Chorus from The Messiah. It was incredible to sing that as a child. I loved the sound and the feeling of all of our voices harmonizing together. When I was young and identified as a Christian, I used to think that was what God felt like. Now I know that that is what it feels like when people come together and sing, sharing their voices and souls with each other. I would love to sing in a choir again someday.

Later on, I discovered folk artists like Peter, Paul and Mary. I also listened to Kenny Rogers, Dolly Parton, The Beatles (and, I have to state for the record, I’m not a Beatles fan anymore), and lots of 80s pop and rock, which I still love! I discovered Bob Dylan in high school. I loved his writing — even though I didn’t really get it at the time – it was unlike anything I had ever heard before. Tracy Chapman’s first hit Fastcar got inside of me. Her voice was so different and the lyrics spoke to me even though I was a white, middle class kid living in rural Canada. In university I was hooked on Joni Mitchell’s Blue for an entire year. I also loved Court and Spark. My sister introduced me to the Indigo Girls and I loved them. I knew they were lesbians and when they were singing about love, and I remember feeling intrigued and uncomfortable at the same time, but I kept listening. Then, I discovered Ani Difranco and wham, I was hooked on women’s voices. She sang about stuff no one was singing about. Blood in the Boardroom? A song about women and bleeding and power? I was mesmerized and empowered. When I discovered Ferron, I knew I’d found something important, someone who could write her soul. I will always be a huge Ferron fan. I also listen to lots of classical music and new age stuff with birds and waterfalls and shit like that.

CS: Quick — if I gave you a million dollars, what would you do with it?

Kate: If I had a million bucks, I would build a one-room adobe cabin in New Mexico (so I could get away and song-write) and a straw bale house on a few acres in BC (to live in) and then open a shelter for queer homeless youth (turn it into a non-profit ) so they could have a safe, supportive, LGBTQ place to live while they finished schools and started to figure out their next life moves.

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Memoir explores author’s transplanted life

Kamal Al-Solayee    Photo by Gary Gould/Ryerson

Intolerable: A Memoir of Extremes
By Kamal Al-Solaylee
Harper Collins, 204 pages, $27.99

Kamal Al-Solaylee teaches journalism at Ryerson University and is a former theatre critic for the Globe and Mail. He answered Lynne Van Luven’s questions via-email at the end of September. He noted that his memoir has netted responses from “other Arab/Muslim gay men and women and they’ve all been supportive, inspiring.” In Yemeni media, he said, the book has been covered as a gay story, which he considers reductive. Mostly, Prof. Al-Solaylee is “disappointed in the lack of responses from the Arab community in Canada. They chose to ignore it. I was hoping that the book would kick-start a conversation about a number of issues: the pervasive nature of extremism here in Canada and back in our home countries, women’s and gay rights, and our civic participation in Canadian society. Maybe that’s a lot to hope for and maybe that’s to come.” Let’s hope so.
Clearly, you silenced and edited yourself for many years 
prior to writing this book. Can you look back now and see a “catalyst 
moment” that precipitated the idea of finally telling your and your 
family’s stories?

The idea for the book came to me after a particularly distressing visit to the family in Sana’a, Yemen, in 2006. It was my first trip in about five years and I couldn’t get over the rapid decline in both the material and emotional lives of my family. I also started to notice what I would term a disturbing level of religiosity. That visit put into focus the huge gap between my life in Toronto – a safe, privileged and even spoiled life – and that of my family. To illustrate the point, I returned to Toronto after that trip and within a few days I went to New York to review the Broadway opening of The Drowsy Chaperone, the Canadian-penned hit spoof musical about the roaring twenties. It took a few days and before I knew it a complete depression started to set in. A friend suggested I write about that experience which is how the book originated – in sadness and depression.

Towards the end of the book, as you worry on the page about
 your family members, and wonder about the viability of moving everyone to
 Cairo, I found myself thinking that you were suffering from something akin 
to “survivor’s guilt.” What can you say about that?

I never thought of it in such terms (survivor’s guilt) but I guess that’s how I felt and continue to feel. I believed that I betrayed the family, especially my sisters, and abandoned them when they needed me most. The events of the Arab Spring and the civil war in Yemen last year only exacerbated that. I can’t keep thinking that way, however, or I’ll go stir crazy. I have to accept that I made the decisions that were best for my personal, emotional and intellectual survival. Writing this book both helped me think through that and added to the sorrow associated with my decision to separate from the family and my helplessness about it all.

Do you think North Americans can ever begin to truly 
understand the complexity and convoluted cultural history of Arab culture, 
not just in Yemen, but elsewhere in the world? (I always remember
 Margaret Atwood’s veterinarian character Dr. Minnow in Bodily Harm, musing
 about the “sweet Canadians” who do helpful things like sending supplies of 
pork to countries whose inhabitants do not eat it.)

I don’t know if Arab people understand their own culture(s), let alone the North Americans. One of the most distressing aspects of the move to religious extremism in the Middle East has been the shutting down of debate and the marginalization of alternative and dissenting voices. Here in North America, I think we’re suffering from a kind of intellectual laziness. The idea of the general public educating itself on a part of the world by reading extensively about it has been replaced with the histrionics of 24-hour news channels and the banalities of the sound bites and the political messaging. Funny how having too much information – social media, cable networks, bloggers – has led to less not more real understanding of issues.

You comment several times in your memoir about how difficult 
your mother’s and sisters’ lives have been, yet at the same time you are
 frustrated by their tendency to self-sacrifice. Can you elaborate a 
little on how you feel about that now, in the wake of the memoir’s 
publication?

Writing this book has helped me understand the “choices” that all my family, male or female, have made. I put the word choices in quotation marks because I don’t believe that they had any. I should say “reactions” or “responses” because that’s more accurate. I must say that I don’t blame or accuse my family of anything. I’m just trying to reconstruct the sequence of events that led to where they (and I) are now. Strangely enough, the clarity that came with writing the book didn’t help mitigate my heartbreak or made the gap between us any less dramatic.

Had you not been gay, I wonder if you would have ever left 
your family and moved to England and then Canada. Do you ever imagine 
scenarios about what your life would be like if you still lived in the 
Middle East somewhere?

Being gay is so essential to my identity, to my life, that I can’t even think of one where I’m not. I came out of the womb gay! But, speaking hypothetically, it’s quite possible that had I been straight I would have settled with my family in Sana’a and led the proverbial life of quiet desperation. I’m glad that’s not what happened to me. I often say that being gay was the best gift that life gave me. I won the genetic lottery in the family. It allowed me to experience difference. I’m beyond grateful for that. Sometimes I think I would have been a very horrible straight man, given my instincts for self-preservation and my reluctance to sacrifice. My gay self made me more aware of the challenges and beauty of being a human being. I like to think I’m more empathetic because of my sexuality.

Lynne Van Luven is the Editor of Coastal Spectator.

 

Lorna Crozier pays tribute to the essence of objects

Lorna Crozier’s latest book, The Book of Marvels, was published this Fall by Greystone Books. Student Jenny Aitken visited Crozier’s cozy office at the University of Victoria to discuss the creation of this new work, which will be launched October 3 , 7:30 p.m. at the UVIC Bookstore.

Q: How was it different describing household objects as opposed to characters?

I have probably had more fun writing this book than I have [had] writing any of my other books. When you become obsessed with something outside of your self, it is a release because you leave behind your worries and concerns and the stress of what you’re going through. I got to look at an object like a bowl or a doorknob and try to get to the heart and essence of it. I didn’t want to overdo that literary trope, so I tried to let the objects speak to me and show me what they were — beyond the human context but also involved in a human context . . .

Q: What gave you the idea of writing an entire book about often-overlooked objects and how did you choose which objects to include?

I actually got the idea about three years ago with the coffee pot. I was doing a writers retreat in Saskatoon, and we had to share a kitchen with a coffee pot and I was getting more and more annoyed at the person who wasn’t making the next pot. I was always getting the last black burnt inch on the bottom . . . One day I went back to my room and wrote a short piece about the coffee pot. I tacked it on the wall and everyone loved it, so I thought why don’t I keep going? After about 15 objects I thought maybe I should cover the whole alphabet. So I had to ask myself what interesting objects start with X? With Y? If you look those letters up in the dictionary, they don’t get much space. (laughs)

Q: How did the writing process differ in a book of prose like The Book of Marvels compared to your memoir Small Beneath the Sky?

In some ways the memoir was actually my inspiration for writing in this form. My memoir consisted of short chapters that were interspersed with prose poetry. For the poems, I gave myself the task of writing short pieces describing the essence of the prairie landscape, like the dust, gravel and snow. Writing those compact pieces made me obsessed with that format, which led to me using that same form in these object pieces.

Q: How did you plan on balancing fact and comedic observation in this book?

I didn’t plan on it, it just happened. Sometimes I did a bit of research because I wanted to learn more about an object. I didn’t know, for instance, that LeRoy, New York, has its very own Jell-O brick road. Those facts were fun to stumble upon, and I wanted to incorporate them with my own experiences with the object. For me, Jell-O brings back memories of jellied salads at church suppers. I have a passionate stance on jellied salads because I have always hated them. (laughs) I think these facts added another texture and livened the pieces, so whenever I could incorporate them, I did.

Q: It seems the narrator looks back when describing the objects; were you aware of this approach?

They are mostly written in the past aren’t they? I definitely look back on the objects that are central to my childhood but hard to find now, like the Yo-yo or linoleum. People don’t even talk about linoleum anymore. Or even an eraser: someone interviewed me on the radio and told me they had never even used an eraser; I was shocked because as writers I think we are always using them. I didn’t deliberately set out to write these poetic essays with nostalgia; it wasn’t a conscious effort, but sometimes it just happens . . . There is something compelling about objects in that we know many of them will outlast us. I could die tomorrow but that wooden table could remain; even my coffee cup could have a longer life than the animals and people I love. I think because of that objects are animated with specialness and I think we endow them with meaning but some of the meaning is their own.